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Shackleton Energy Company

Post by John Hunt » Mon Jan 17, 2011 5:42 am

Space.com had an article recently with a Q&A with Bill Stone. In it, he outlined in a fair amount of detail the strategy and business plan for the Shackleton Energy Company plan to produce an orbital "gas station". It is very much along the line that we are thinking with extracting lunar water ice and returning it to LEO (LITL system).

Like in his TED talk, Bill Stone continues to put a manned return to the Moon early in the plan and makes it a necessary step towards extracting and processing of the lunar water ice. I continue to believe that this is not the right approach. It would probably be unnecessary (why can't teleoperated robonauts repair equipment), unnecessarily risky, and more likely to cause skiddishness on the part of government and investors (i.e. risking bad PR). My theory is that the continued centrality of the early manned portion comes from Bill Stone's personal expedition way of living.

I find it very interesting that Bill Stone seems to have gone from a 100% government sponsorship of a Lewis and Clark approach to lunar mining with a 100% private approach. Perhaps these are not incompatible. Perhaps he thinks that the government should fund initial exploration and then the privates could follow-up on the findings. But if so, why now propose the second phase with no mention of the first phase? Now he is advocating that it be fundd by a non-conventional investor -- one who wants to invest in order to change history.

But I find it pretty frustrating. It's as though he is throwing a dart at the correct dart board but always hitting it too far to the right or left -- never right on the bullseye. To me, that bulleye is a lunar COTS. It is also the use of telerobotics initially and bring in the humans only after the robotic equipment has prepared the site for them.
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Post by Sam Fraser » Wed Nov 23, 2011 8:39 am

A follow-up to JohnHunt's post:



By 2020, Shackleton Energy Company (SEC) intends to become the world’s foremost space-based energy company providing rocket propellants, life support, consumables, and services in Low Earth Orbit (LEO) and on the Moon to all spacefarers. The company will use a mix of industrial astronauts and advanced robotic systems to provide a strategically-assured, continuous supply of propellants to already-defined customers in space.

http://rockethub.com/projects/3822-shac ... ant-depots

According to NextBigFuture, they have already crowd-sourced $3655 of a $1.2 million "first round" funding effort.

Hey, it's a start.
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Post by joertexas » Wed Nov 23, 2011 8:13 pm

[quote=""Sam Fraser""]

Hey, it's a start.[/quote]


Can we start something like this?

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Post by Sam Fraser » Thu Nov 24, 2011 5:23 am

Yes, we can! We are the ones we've been waiting for! ;) Here's the crowdfunding website Shackleton is using:

http://rockethub.org/page/about-us

This link might be useful too:

http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2011/sma ... iid=L_Jump
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Post by stevend » Sat Dec 31, 2011 2:38 pm

Looks like they didn't get their funding... only $5,517 pledged of a $1,200,000 goal.
http://rockethub.com/projects/3822-shac ... ant-depots
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Post by Engineer » Sat Dec 31, 2011 10:19 pm

The problem is obviously advertising. I'd like to lay out a basic idea of what we can do to get this fixed. Look at all these sites. artimus, permanent, space hub, etc. what would happen if they all organized under 1 roof but under mutual management? that would be news worthy for CBS, NBC, ABC, even the ones with more then 3 letters. That would raise awareness, gain more funding, Basically start a real push towards private lunar establishment. I propose we start this project in a organized fashion. or else not know what progress has been made. In my opinion, we're too spaced out. we need to start collectively organizing ourselves. either that or keep going how we are going.
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Post by HopDavid » Tue Jan 03, 2012 2:13 pm

[quote=""Sam Fraser""]Yes, we can! We are the ones we've been waiting for! ;) Here's the crowdfunding website Shackleton is using:

http://rockethub.org/page/about-us

This link might be useful too:

http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2011/sma ... iid=L_Jump[/quote]

Thank you John Hunt and Sam Fraser. As a result of this thread I will send $20 to Stone.

Someone else mentioned that Stone needs advertising. Threads like this are a start. Hopefully this will take root in other forums as well.

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Post by HopDavid » Tue Jan 03, 2012 2:24 pm

[quote=""Sam Fraser""]Yes, we can! We are the ones we've been waiting for! ;) Here's the crowdfunding website Shackleton is using:

http://rockethub.org/page/about-us

This link might be useful too:

http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2011/sma ... iid=L_Jump[/quote]

I was hoping to find a payment page similar to what you see on online stores. Couldn't see a way to make a donation. They don't give a quantity for time left and call the project complete. Is this fund drive already over?

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Wheres the action?

Post by Engineer » Wed Jan 04, 2012 12:10 am

It looks like it didn't even start really. the adds in the page look like they were stock. doesn't make sense. where does this money go any way if the donations are unsuccessful?
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Post by stevend » Wed Jan 04, 2012 1:13 am

[quote=""HopDavid""]I was hoping to find a payment page similar to what you see on online stores. Couldn't see a way to make a donation. They don't give a quantity for time left and call the project complete. Is this fund drive already over?[/quote]

Yes, it ended at the end of December.
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